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Shadow home affairs minister Jonno Duniam is up on Insiders this morning.

Asked for evidence for the opposition’s proposed excise cut on cigarettes, he said they modelled it with the Parliamentary Budget Office and “saw a real change in behaviour of consumers at the 80% price point”:

Of course, it’s important to point out that it’s not just about cutting excise. If you bring down a legal product to a competitive price point, people will stay a premium for a legal product.